Tonkotsu Ramen

December 30, 2009 · 339 comments

Tonkotsu Ramen Noodle Soup

This post may have been a year in the making, but I’ve been working on this tonkotsu ramen for the better part of the last decade. In case you haven’t been indoctrinated into the wonderful world of ramen, Tonkotsu broth is the Holly Grail of noodle soup broths. It’s thick, creamy and nearly white in color, from pork marrow bones that have been simmered to smithereens.

Given the availability of reasonably good frozen ramens, and the plethora of shops specializing in the one bowl meal, most sane people in Japan don’t undertake the challenge of making ramen at home from scratch. I don’t know if I’m just crazy or if it’s my fearless American spirit, but at some point in college, it occurred to me that I could make the one bowl wonder that got me through many an all-nighter… from scratch.

My first attempts were pale watery excuses for ramen. Actually, they were more like noodles in pork soup. Over the years, my attempts yielded broths that were too porky, too brown, or too canned-meat tasting. Eventually, I got the soup to a place where you could pass it off as ramen to the less experienced palette (which was when I started writing this post), but it never quite nailed the nuanced balance of meat, aromatics, and body.

Caramelized onions, ginger and garlic for tonkotsu soup

So how did I figure it out? During my recent trip to Japan, I had many bowls of ramen, each with its own distinct character and personality. Some used chicken stock, others included pork. I even had one ramen that was made of tuna stock. I think I was in the middle of a bowl of chicken consommé ramen with bacon, mozzarella and fried burdock on top when it occurred to me that perhaps limiting myself to a 100% pork broth wasn’t the right approach for the type of stock I was trying to create.

I had another epiphany at Ramen Stadium, in Fukuoka, where I hopped from restaurant to restaurant, gorging on Tonkotsu Ramen. Many of the broths had a dark oil that I’d always assumed was sesame oil. Upon closer inspection, some of the soups revealed caramelized bits of onion that were nearly burnt. The research of Louis Camille Maillard came to mind and I realized that a lot of the nuances in the broth were not coming from the meat, but from the caramelized aromatics in the broth.

Back at home, with bags of chicken and pork bones in hand, I set to work recreating the flavours and memories while they were still fresh in my mind. And the results? Well, let’s just say I won’t be standing in line for hours outside Ippudo this winter. To say it’s better than Ippudo’s would be a strech, but does it make your lips sticky with collagen? Yes! Does it have little creamy nibbles of pork fat floating in the broth? Certainly! Does it put a big grin on your face when the steaming bowl is set in front of you? Hell yea!

Tonkotsu Ramen Broth

Mission accomplished.

The toppings are up to you, but I usually go with the standards like chashu, menma , woodear and scallions. If you want some chashu similar to Santouka Ramen’s Toroniku, here’s a recipe for my version. To give a Kagoshima flair, I finish each bowl, with a drizzle of mayu (black garlic oil). It’s technically burt garlic and it’s not something you’d want to eat alone, but mixed into tonkotsu ramen, it’s divine!

Tonkotsu Ramen with pork, corn and bok choy

This recipe makes enough Tonkotsu base for 6-8 bowls of ramen (depending on how much water you add), and the Tonkotsu Ramen recipe below makes 2 bowls.

Next, I need to find some kansui so I can tackle the noodle making as I’m not super happy with the noodles I get in Chinatown.

Equipment you'll need:

Tonkotsu Base

makes 10-12 cups of stock

2 pig trotters, cut in half lengthwise
1.5 pounds pork leg bone, cut into several pieces
1.5 pounds chicken bones

oil for deep frying
2″ knob of ginger sliced thin
1 small head garlic trimmed but whole
1 teaspoon cracked white pepper
1 large onion sliced thinly

Fill a pressure cooker 2/3rds of the way with water and bring to a boil. Add the pig trotters to the boiling water and cook until you stop seeing red blood come out of the bones (about 10-15 minutes). The idea is to draw out as much of the gunk as possible into this first batch of water. Transfer the trotters to a bowl of cold water then repeat with the leg bones and chicken bones (you can use the same water).

Dump the now very dirty water down the drain and wash the pot. Scrub any dark brown scrum off all the bones and rinse them thoroughly. Return the cleaned bones to the pot and cover with water (the water should come up an inch above the top of the bones). Bring the pot to a boil and skim off any chunks or foam that floats to the surface. Keep doing this until you don’t seen any more foam or scum floating up. This will take about 30 minutes.

While the bones are going, Heat 1/2″ of oil in a pot over medium heat and add the head of garlic and ginger. Fry this until they are browned and shriveled up. Use a slotted or wire mesh to transfer the ginger and garlic to a bowl. Add the onions to the oil and fry these until caramelized and shriveled. Add the fried onions to the ginger and garlic and set aside.

Once the stock is scum-free, add the caramelized ginger, garlic, and onions to the stock. Affix the pressure cooker lid and cook on high pressure for 1 hour and 45 minutes. If you don’t have a pressure cooker, cover with a lid and cook for 5 hours (you may need to check and add water periodically, the bones should be mostly covered in water).

Once the pressure is released use tongs to remove and discard all the bones. Remove any chunks of pork and set aside for another use. Strain the stock into a bowl and skim off any excess fat.

Mayu (black garlic oil)

1/4 cup sesame oil
5 cloves of garlic grated

To make the black garlic oil, add the sesame oil into a small saucepan along with the grated garlic. Put the pan over medium low heat and let the garlic cook stirring occasionally until it is very dark brown. When the garlic is very dark, turn the heat down to low and let it cook until it is black.

As soon as it hits black, turn off the heat and transfer the hot oil and garlic to a heatproof bowl. Let this mixture cool down completely. Add the cooled oil to a blender or food processor and blitz until there are no visible garlic particles left and the oil is uniformly black.

It will taste burnt and slightly bitter, but this is okay as you only add a little bit to each bowl. Put it the oil in a container and refrigerate until you are ready to use it.

Tonkotsu Ramen

makes 2 bowls
for soup
3 cups tonkotsu base (from recipe above)
1 tablespoon tahini
1 tablespoon strained braising liquid from chashu
2 cloves garlic, finely grated (not pressed)
1-2 teaspoons kosher salt (to taste)
1 teaspoon mirin
1/8 teaspoon white pepper
1 tablespoon sesame seeds coarsely ground
2 tablespoons finely minced fatback (salted pork fat)

to serve
1/2 batch homemade ramen noodles
2 teaspoons mayu (from recipe above)
sliced chashu
2 scallions finely chopped
other optional toppings include menma, woodear, egg, bean sprouts, corn, etc..

Heat the tonkotsu base in a sauce pan. In a bowl whisk together the tahini, chashu liquid, grated garlic, salt, mirin and white pepper. Add this to the hot broth and whisk to combine. Taste and adjust salt as needed. Bring to a simmer, then add the sesame seeds and pork fat and whisk to combine.

Split the cooked noodles between two bowls. Pour the tonkotsu soup over the noodles. Top with chashu, scallions and whatever else you want to add. Finish the ramen with a drizzle of mayu on each bowl.

Update: There have been a couple people who have had problems with the original recipe and in speaking with them, I think there are a few points I should clarify:

  1. To get the creamy white soup it’s important that you use pork leg bones and the trotters. The white color comes from the marrow and collagen in these parts. Using other types of pork bones such as ribs or neck bones will not give your soup the richness or color.
  2. Don’t omit the fatback (salted pork fat). Most of the fat from the stock gets skimmed out, and the fat added at the last minute is what gives the soup it’s rich “sticky” quality. By whisking small bits of minced fatback in at the end, you create an emulsion of soup and fat, so it makes the soup nice and creamy without being greasy. If you’re having a hard time finding it, try asking for it at a butcher.
  3. The onions should be a deep brown, but they should not be burnt, if they are browning unevenly, turn the heat down, so they brown more slowly.
  4. Tahini is not the same as toasted sesame paste. It should be light beige in color and have a thick pourable consistency. If your grocery store doesn’t carry it, try finding a Middle Eastern or Indian grocery store. I use a brand called “Al Wadi” that comes in a plastic container with a green label and lid and has a relatively mellow flavor. If you can’t get tahini you can also grind your own sesame seeds until you have something resembling runny peanut butter.
  5. Salt has different levels of salinity depending on the type and brand. Even amongst kosher salt, Morton’s for example is much more salty than Diamond Crystal (which I use). Most recipes deliberately go low on the amount of salt you should use so you don’t accidentally over salt your dish. If you feel like it needs more salt, by all means, add more salt.
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  • Alex

    Marc… thanks so much for putting this together. I’m not a vegetarian but do believe that we should treat the animals we eat with respect and dignity. In my household, we purchase humaenly farmed animal products. So, finding the bones has been difficult to say the least. I did go to my local Whole Foods where they do have the pork leg bones but they are pre-smoked. Do you think that these would work? My initial thought is that it would change the flavor of the broth but I seem to be running out of options. Any thoughts?

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      The smoked bones will definitely change the flavor. Do you have any
      local butchers or pig farms near you that can get you the bones? Maybe
      at a farmers market? Since they aren’t very popular sellers most
      butchers won’t display them, but if you ask ahead of time, they can
      usually set them aside for you when they butcher a whole pig.

      • Alex

        I did find a local pig farmer but he only sells bone-in meat only, which means that I could buy the bone-in meat but would have to play the part of the butcher or take it somewhere. With that being said, do I want the front legs or the back legs? Are ham hocks the same thing as leg bones and could those be used? I looked up a butcher diagram and it looks like the hock is part of the leg but not the entire leg. This has definitely proved to be an adventure and understand why you wanted to document all of this on online! :-)

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        The leg meat is great for braising, so you could get the whole leg and
        use the meat for something else. I’m pretty sure the cut I’m talking
        about is the bone from the hind leg. Ham hocks are also part of the
        leg bone, except if the ham has been smoked or cooked (most hams are),
        the marrow in the bone will have rendered out a lot of the fat, which
        is where the soup gets it’s creaminess from, so I’m not sure it will
        work as well. It was quite an adventure to figure it out in the first
        place and I tried all kinds of cuts and bones before settling on the
        leg and trotters, so I know what you’re going through.

  • moriz

    Hello!

    Thank you very much for this great recipe!
    I’m trying to make tonkotsu ramen right now, and i’ve got a little difficulty to get this white colore of the stock. I used pork leg bones aswell as the pig trotters, cleaned the bones well, and skimmed any scum off the surface, but still after long time of cooking my stock is more brown in colore then white.
    Do you have any idea what could i have done wrong?

    Thanks for the reply and thanks again for this great recipe!

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      The tonkotsu base, won’t be totally white, it will be a creamy beige
      color. It won’t turn as white as in the photo until you add the tahini
      and fatback. Feel free to email me if that doesn’t answer your
      question.

  • Tlauver

    I haven’t yet been able to find pork leg bones, but I’ve certainly found trotters. Would it okay to substitute more trotters for the leg bone, or would that throw off the flavor too much? Thanks! Awesome recipe :)

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      To be honest I’m not entirely sure. Too many trotters may add too much
      collagen and the soup may end up way to thick. I guess you could try
      replacing the leg bones with half trotters half chicken bones.

  • Pascal

    Hello there!
    I just wanted to tell you that I loved reading the story behind it, I loved reading how to make it and all. Problem is I’m sharing my kitchen with 7 other people; I’ll have to wait till I get my own place (student now).
    Anyway, I love reading your stuff, thank you :)
    Take care

  • Laura

    Just curious – what size pressure cooker did you use? I have a 6 quart, but am concerned that it will not contain all those bones :)

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      I think mine may have been an 8 qt, but I can’t remember and I’m not
      at home this week and next so I can’t check. You can do this without a
      pressure cooker but you’ll need to triple the cooking time.

      • Laura

        Thanks for your response. I prefer to do it in the pressure cooker so it’ll cut down on time. I might just have to use less water and add more water after straining the bones. I might do this as a project this weekend, and will let you know how it turns out!

      • laura

        my girlfriends and i spent the entire afternoon making it and although it did not turn out as milky white as your picture and we only had 4 bowls of soup, we were really pleased with the results and happy to have another successful cooking project under our belts. I forgot to add some water after the straining the broth from the pressure cooker, so our broth was very rich and well seasoned. i used trotters, pork hocks and chicken wings for the bones. thanks for sharing your recipe! oh yes, is the fatback supposed to melt into the broth? or do they stay as little squares in the soup?

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        Glad you liked it! If you mince the fatback small it will almost
        completely dissolve, but there will still be little specks of fat you
        can see. The idea isn’t to have fat floating on top, but to emulsify
        it with the soup to make it richer.

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  • xnanodax

    Hey Marc :) Thank you for another awesome recipe!

    Does the fatback come from the stock? Or should I buy this?

    Thank you so much!

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      Fatback is a block of salted pork fat (you could also use italian
      “lardo”) think of it as ham made from the fat. It adds richness and
      body to the soup at the end.

  • Ishume

    Excellent posting.
    I have been searching for a good ramen recipe for many years…Just to see if I can entertain myself with this home cooked hearty soup and noodle. I have not used any fat back which, I believe, will thicken the soup considerably but I made the original stock thicker, which came from pork back and rib. Caramelized onion, onion and garlic mostly give the aroma and flavor to the soup as you mentioned.
    Let me try with leg bones and fat back in the next time.
    Again thx for the great posting.

  • Gordon

     My attempt didn’t come out so good – but I’m going to try again soon. Any idea how to recreate the amazing ramen from ichiran (hakata tonkotsu) or tenkaippin (chicken)?

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  • Buck

    Made this twice, first attempt was great, But second attempt Sucess. Luckily I have a great asian market here in dallas that had everything I needed! Thanks for the recipe Marc! I’m Truely inspired, And my house smells like a ramen shop almost every weekend!

  • http://voodooandsauce.com Heather Arndt Anderson

    I just forged myself on a bowl of tonkotsu ramen at a little joint in Portland called Shogun Noodle. Funny thing, whenever I fall in love with a new (to me) Japanese good, it ends up being a specialty of Hakata. Must be those browner onions that give it the magic!

  • http://voodooandsauce.com Heather Arndt Anderson

    (I mean ‘gorged’. Though ‘forged’ does an apt job of conveying the epic effect it had on my psyche.)

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  • Sebastianho448

    Hi Marc! I’ve tried your recipe and have a few Qs. Why do u use trotters? can i use large pork bones instead? if I use trotters, which part is better? the front or the back? I’ve used the back today. After boiling for 6hrs, my base stock is milky brownish and not milky white. something wrong?

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      The collagen in the trotters make the broth more creamy. I use the whole trotters split in half. As for color, milky beige sounds about right. It doesn’t get really white until you add the tahini and emulsify in the pork fat.

      • Sebastianho448

        Marc, what should I do with the pork fat? Cook it and minced it?

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        Just follow the recipe, it goes in at the very end.

      • Sebastianho448

        I couldn’t find any salted pork fat. All I could find in my market was some cubes of pork fat. Dun think is what you have mention.

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        That’s fine, just mince it up and whisk it in at the end, when you emu Sift the fat in with the soup it makes it more white and more creamy.

      • Sebastianho448

        Thanks Marc! I’m going to try it again!

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        That’s fine, just mince it up and whisk it in at the end, when you emu Sift the fat in with the soup it makes it more white and more creamy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=828932221 Allen Chen

    Hi Marc! great post btw, i tried the soup base a month ago without the pressure cooker for 6 hours and the soup was light beige in color but today when i used pressure cooker for 5 hours the soup came out brown. The only difference i made between the 2 trials was instead of frying the vegetables, i roasted them in the oven. Do you think that was the main reason the soup wasnt beige? Or perhaps i overcooked the stock? I remember watching the Japanese tv shows the chefs usually cook the soup base over 24 hours so can we really overcook the soup?
    thanks

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      When you did it in the pressure cooker, did you boil it without the lid for about and hour and skim off the scum? Brown soup usually means some blood mixed into the soup.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=828932221 Allen Chen

        i think i only boiled it for about 30 mins, also, to my dismay that my friend secretly toss in a few carrots and scallions, could that be the factor to brown the soup as well?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6XTGRTLUBV3SJODXYFZWX7VM Anonymous

    Awesome post! Very interesting read. I’m heading to a new Hakata Ramen shop in Torrance now. While I appreciate your diligent research and careful science, I am going to leave it to the experts. Still searching for the perfect bowl of ramen since returning from 7 years in Japan however. Have yet to find “my place.” I may have to come back here and actually try out your findings.

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  • Omar

    You mentioned “1 tablespoon strained braising liquid from chashu”
    but forgot to include instructions on how to make it.

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      If you click the link “Chashu” it will take you to the recipe.

  • chock

    I had two extra trotters and a large leg left laying around (a friend is shooting a pilot program she hopes to sell to Food Network, the program is about cut’s of meat, pork belly being featured in the pilot program) so I am trying the recipe right now.  I split the trotters in half and hacked (literately, hacksaw, cleaver and hammer) the bone to 4 pieces. 

    The chicken bones (whole carcass really) came from the leftovers from a whole chicken BBQ we had last night.  I also added some extra goodies we had left over from the shoot:  about 3 strips (1″ x 1″ x 3″) of fatty pork meat and two 4″ x 4″ x 1.5″ squares of pure pork belly fat.  The garlic, ginger and onion carmelized and smelled great – but I accidentally deviated a bit:  I chopped the onion instead of slicing (I was hopeful that some of the carmelized onion chunks would sneak into the final product).  Also, I don’t have a pressure cooker so everything is being done in just a normal pot.

    Right now, the tonkotsu base has about 2 hours of simmering on the stove.  My favorite ramen shops in San Francisco all pride themselves on letting the broth simmer for 48 hours.  My plan is to do the same.

  • Fcowie2

    This looks fabulous — that creamy pork stock!  I’ll definitely be making it.  But our fave ramen joint also adds about 1-2 tbsp of what they call “soup base” to the bowl, in addition to the soup.  (You can choose the amount: light, normal, heavy.)  I’m asking about the soup base because the eggs they serve in the ramen are absolutely to die for, and I asked did they pickle them in miso, and the chef said they were pickled/soaked in the soup base.  So now I’m wondering what that might be.  The eggs aren’t discolored as they would be if soaked in anything with soy.  Still look like regular hard-boiled eggs, but smooth and salty to the taste.  Any ideas?  (The ramen joint is Shen Sen Gumi in LA, if anyone’s wondering — me & the kids try other places, but always end up back there.)  Thanks.

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  • Wolfman200

    Could you clarify what you meant by “1 small head garlic trimmed but whole” . Does this mean that you leave the papery outer layer on, fry up the whole thing and strain it out later? If so, then some of the garlic stays basically raw, right? Or maybe you take it apart but don’t mince it? Thanks

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      By trimmed I mean to cut the stem part (top) off. This should expose all the garlic pieces to the oil and not only cook them through, they should be caramelized.

  • Mugen

    Hi Marc,
    I tried your tonkatsu ramen, and at the last I put sesame seeds and finely minced fatback.
    It turned out that the fatback didn’t combine in the soup. It just in few small chunks form.
    I wonder how your fatback can combine in soup?
    And as I can see, you don’t add vet shin in your soup. How can your soup has the sweet flavor?
    I tried without vet shin and it just didn’t has the sweetness.
    For the noodles, can we put the dough in the fridge for several days before we cook it?
    Thanks.

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      The fat back needs to minced into very small pieces each piece should be no bigger than 1-2mm. At that size it should mostly melt into the soup. What is vet shin?

      • Mugen

        Vet shin is msg. It makes the soup sweet. I will try the fat back again. And I am using the fat back which is not salted, does it makes different? Coz I get it from the butcher, and he only has one without salted.
        Marc, I have one more problem here. I always have my noodles not firm. And once I kept the rest of my noodles in the fridge, it turned out very sticky by tomorrow. Any suggestion?
        Thanks a lot.

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        Ah okay, I don’t like using MSG so don’t include it in my recipes, but if you prefer the flavor, by all means add some. As for the noodles how long do you boil them for? Depending on how thick your noodles are you may need to decrease the cooking time. Lately ive been boiling for 30-40 seconds and letting them finish cooking in the soup while I add the toppings. Also, what kind of kansui are you using?

      • Mugen

        I tried making the noodles today, and I am happy with the result now. My problem was I put the water too much for the previous dough. I am using lye water instead of kansui.
        Your recipe makes my family happy. Thanks to you.
        By the way, you mentioned before that you wanna post your hakata style ramen here. I wonder how it is going? It would great if you can post it.
        Thanks a lot.

  • Faylen

    HI Marc,
    Thank you very much for this recipe. I will use it as a starting point for my own ramen adventures. I thought you might be amused to know that I carmelized the onions garlic and ginger in sesame oil and used that to make mayu (and saved the rest) It gave the mayu a wonderful sweet gingery aroma in addition to the burnt garlic that was really tasty. It might be worth more experimentation.

  • susannah

    I have to say that I greatly appreciate all of your hard work and dedication to this AMAZING ramen.  I lived in Japan for two years, and have yet to find a decent bowl of tonkotsu anywhere around me, so thank you x 1000 for doing this and sharing it!

  • Mugen

    Hi Marc,
    As I noticed when I put my noodles in the room temperature for about 20 minutes, my noodles dry out and become crisp. Shouldn’t it be the same texture like when it just being roll out? And if I keep my noodles in the fridge for later use ( like 1 or 2 days), the colour changed. Any suggestions for the noodles?
    Thanks a lot.

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      The noodles should be boiled as soon as they come off the pasta maker, otherwise they will dry out. If you need to keep them longer, dust them very liberally with flour and store them in the fridge. Unfortunately I haven’t found a way to prevent the color from changing when you leave them in the fridge, but the texture doesn’t seem to be affected too much.

      • Mugen

        Thanks for ur reply Marc.

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  • Alex

    I feel like trying to make this dish will prove to be my undoing, but I’m hugely thankful for the recipe all the same. For now, I just have a question: What if I use chicken feet instead of “just any” chicken bones? I ask because I happen to have them in the freezer. Would that put too much collagen in the tonkotsu base? I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that the trotters also make the base richer and more collagen-y, but there seems to be a point to your using a mix of leg bones and trotters. Substituting the leg bones for more trotters feels like something I should not try to do (however tricky the leg bones will be to get hold of), so I’m hesitating about the chicken feet as well.

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      I’ve never tried it with chicken feet, but I do know that it is possible to overdo the collagen (I tried making it once with all trotters and it was too thick). The reason why I add the chicken bones is that it adds flavor and umami without adding too much richness. Since the feet is largely skin and cartilage it may upset the balance.

  • Hikari Frozen

    wow this is a must do receipe for me..
    just need to verify somethings before i start off hopefully this weekend.. Assuming i have a pressure
    cooker

    Tonkotsu Base

    pig trotters -> 15mins on boiling water(with pressure cooker and no lid)
    pig leg bones -> 15mins on boiling water(with pressure cooker and no lid)
    chicken bones -> 15mins on boiling water(with pressure cooker and no lid)

    QUESTIONS:
    1.can i remove the meat part of the pig leg bones and just use the bones ?
    2.Which part of the chickens do i need to obtain the chicken bones ?

    AFTER cleaning all of them.. I just add them all with water and bring to boil while removing any
    visible foam for around 30mins

    QUESTION:
    1. Do i use the same water for the next part ?

    AFTER that i add Ginger, Garlic, Onion and then close pressure cooker lid and cook for around
    1hr 45mins

    QUESTION:
    1. Do i have to check and add water on my pressure cooker ?

  • Hikari Frozen

    wow this is a must do receipe for me..
    just need to verify somethings before i start off hopefully this weekend.. Assuming i have a pressure
    cooker

    Tonkotsu Base

    pig trotters -> 15mins on boiling water(with pressure cooker and no lid)
    pig leg bones -> 15mins on boiling water(with pressure cooker and no lid)
    chicken bones -> 15mins on boiling water(with pressure cooker and no lid)

    QUESTIONS:
    1.can i remove the meat part of the pig leg bones and just use the bones ?
    2.Which part of the chickens do i need to obtain the chicken bones ?

    AFTER cleaning all of them.. I just add them all with water and bring to boil while removing any
    visible foam for around 30mins

    QUESTION:
    1. Do i use the same water for the next part ?

    AFTER that i add Ginger, Garlic, Onion and then close pressure cooker lid and cook for around
    1hr 45mins

    QUESTION:
    1. Do i have to check and add water on my pressure cooker ?

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      QUESTIONS: 
      1.can i remove the meat part of the pig leg bones and just use the bones ?I usually just buy bones, which has a little meat clinging too them. There’s no need to remove the remaining meat, but you also don’t need to get a full roast with all the meat on the bones. 2.Which part of the chickens do i need to obtain the chicken bones ?
      I usually just ask my butcher for chicken carcases, it’s a by product when they make breast and thigh fillets. It’s not super important which parts of the chickens you use. 
      1. Do i use the same water for the next part ?
      Yes
      1. Do i have to check and add water on my pressure cooker ?
      You shouldn’t have to. Just make sure the bones are well covered when you affix the lid. If you’re concerned, you can quick release the lid half-way through and check the water level. Also if you don’t have a pressure cooker, just triple the cooking time (about 5 hours).

      • Hikari Frozen

        allrite .. tks.. oh well i am a week behind due to work ..  gonna try it out this thursday HOPEFULLY before new year.. haha..

  • Xi Xi Yuu

    your realization was right on the mark.  the pork broth is almost flavorless even if it is a glistening gelatinous white.  when we make the batches and someone tastes it, its just for texture and richness (and I won’t lie, a whiter broth seems to make ppl think it tastes better and they’ll pay more…NOPE!).  If u were to put the noodles in that white broth and not season it with Tare, konbu dashi, or something else. (which you have here actually made “Mayu Ramen in tonkatsu broth”) – it would taste so bland and awful.  

    Traditionally the MSG flavoring comes from konbu and dried shrimp and sardines for saltiness and smokiness.  This becomes konbu dashi (and where the natural umami flavor comes from).  On top of that, they will ladle some kind of seasoning base like salt solution with mirin and sake or soy sauce with sesame oils etc etc so many possibilities-flavor plus more umami.  

    Which is why I am sort of surprised you dont mention konbu or soy product anywhere in this recipe..(did you add MSG or chicken boillon because there would have been almost no umami, though the fatback would have helped assuming it was the salted kind.)

    I think if you keep digging down this rabbit hole you’ll find that ramen is something so complicated and yet if u think about it, just noodles in a soup.  If you grasp the elements of this particular soup (stock + umami agent + flavoring agent + alkaline noodles + meat and toppings = WIN), and you dont overcook the noodles then you can master any kind of noodle soup.  Pho in my opinion is just as time consuming but not as scrutinized if u mess it up.  Chinese noodles soups vary 100 times more than ramen, but everyone is not so picky about the parameters.  

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      It really depends on the region of Japan whether seafood is added to the broth or not. Kanto style Shoyu ramen often includes seafood as does Shio, and Miso ramen. Traditionally Tonkotsu ramen (Kyushu style) does not include seafood in the broth. 

      Personally I like the combo of chicken, pork, and caramelized vegetables to make a tonkotsu broth. I look at making ramen a bit like composing a song for a symphony. The pork provides the bass (tuba, bass, etc), the chicken provides the treble (flute, violin, etc), and the caramelized veggies provide everything in between (french horn, cello, etc).

      I’m not sure where you get the impression that there’s no umami in this soup, the pork or chicken on its own would be plenty, but it also has caramelized onions, garlic and ginger, and that’s just for the base. The soup includes braising liquid from the chashu, tahini (sesame has tons of umami compounds), and mayu. The fatback isn’t there for flavor, it’s mostly for richness.

  • Yooniverse

    If you add the carmelized ginger, garlic and onions, doesn’t that turn the broth brown and not milky white as described/depicted?  That’s what happened to me when I tried out this recipe.

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      The broth will be a light beige color. It will get lighter when you add the fatback and tahini. If your broth turned out very brown even after adding the tahini and fatback, it’s possible the onions were over caramelized or there was still some blood left in the bones.

      • Yooniverse

        I guess I over caramelized it. The stock was looking pretty white and scum-free when I added the ginger, garlic and onions just before I pressure cooked it. My definition of caramelizing must be different than yours. I’ll try browning it lighter.

        Also, my base gelatinized overnight. Was that to be expected? How do I store it and reuse when it turns into a hard gelatin?

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        The gelatin is from the melted collagen in the soup and is what gives it the richness (i.e. it’s a good thing). When you reheat it, it will melt. The fridge is fine for up to a week, if you intend to keep it longer, freeze it.

  • chefgodzilla

    salted pork fat is not available..only pork fat or actual “salt pork”

    what do you suggest?

  • Russ Paulsen

    Trying to recreate what we had in LA and this all looked right. The base was delicious, but the finished soup was way, way overwhelmed by garlic. Do you really mean one raw clove per bowl?

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      Couple of possibilities here. 1) Personal preference – I tend to like lots of garlic in my ramen (I usually put a spoonful of raw garlic in even at ramen restaurants). 2) Size of the cloves – your garlic cloves may have been a lot bigger than mine. My suggestion would be cut back on the garlic to suit your tastes, you could even leave it out if you want as there’s caramelized garlic in the base and if you’re making mayu, there will be garlic there too.

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  • Erik Haqvinsson

    Will you ever make shoyu ramen? :)

  • Will

    Hi Marc !i have kept your recipe at arm reach for few months now, always trying to get more information from different websites but i am getting eager to get started ! few questions for you before i get to work and maybe you or some one reading this will be able to help ;) 1) i have seen some people roasting the bones before using them. How would the flavors differs from yours recipe ? if roasting, we shouldnt blanched the bones right ? (we want the fat and remaining meat getting roasted/caramalised  ?) ? could/should chicken bones get roasted too ?2) i was thinking to use a whole chicken, glaze it with something semilar as the braising liquid of the chashu and then use it for the stock …. is that too early to add those flavors the broth ? should i first focus and getting a well balanced liquid and then add the right flavors before serving ?3) how long can I use the bones for ? how many “brews” can i expect to yield with the same amount of bones ?  when should the bones be discarded ? for health reasons, can the bones be refrozen after use ?4) Have you tried to infuse the water with kombu, shitake and/or dry fish when starting the process ?5) the restaurant i work at, is using cloves of blackgarlic: extremely slowy roasted garlic, they are actually getting confied …. i was thinking to use those to make the Mayu. but do the “burnt flavors” adding something extra to the bowl that i am missing ? hope you will find some time to share some tips with us ! If i dont hear from you before i get started i will post some of my discoveries !PeaceWill

    • will

      i did use spacing and Paragraphs !

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      Hi Will, thanks for your comment. 1) You can certainly roast the bones and it will change the flavor profile, however if you roast the bones, your soup will not turn out white. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing as the Maillard reaction will make the broth taste more complex, but the resulting brown soup will not be a classic tonkotsu broth. 2) There’s no right or wrong way to make ramen, but traditionally the broth is extracted from the bones and then the seasoning is added afterwards. 3) The bones can only be used once. You’re literally cooking the marrow out of the bones, so you won’t get much of a stock out of them the second go around. 4) typically tonkotsu broths do not include any kind of seafood. That said, other styles of ramen such as shio(salt) and shoyu(soy sauce) use seafood broths so you’re welcome to experiment with these combinations. Although not traditionally added to Tokotsu broth, I’ve recently started throwing in some kombu because it adds umami without changing the flavor as adding dried bonito or shiitake would do. 5) “black garlic” is usually garlic that’s been fermented for a few weeks in a warm place. This is a different reaction than the the caramelization and maillard reaction that takes place from burning garlic, so the flavors will be different. That said, I think black garlic may make an interesting addition to miso ramen as the nutty flavors would really compliment each other. Mayu is made by literally burning the garlic, if you eat it straight it is quite bitter and burnt tasting, but adding just a little to a bowl of creamy tonkotsu ramen is divine.

      • will

        Thank you for your tips Marc ! Cannt wait to be sunday to give it a go ;)

        One last thing, the Chashu on the top picture isnt made of cheek, is it ??

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        Good luck. As for the chasu, to be honest I can’t remember what I used, it looks a little like pork belly, but I sometimes buy transglutaminase bonded cheek meet that ends up looking a bit like well marbled belly (complete with layers of fat).

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  • Richard Attar

    Hello Mark!

    Like Will, I’ve also kept this recipe saved and looked at often for a few months. I finally made it last night for my family! It was excellent! 

    I wanted to thank you, as there are no recipes on the net like this at all! I love to cook, and am a recent ramen enthusiast, and this recipe is a lifer! Thank you again!

  • Karen Lai

    Hi Marc,
    Thank you so much for the recipe. I’m going to make it this Sunday.
    Wish me luck.

  • MJ

    Hi Marc,
    How about chickens feet as a replacement for chicken bones?

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      To be honest I’m not sure. You’ll get a lot of collagen (the stuff that makes the soup creamy) out of chicken feet, but I’m not sure how much flavor you’ll get out of them. Try it out and let us know how it goes.

    • will

      i have used 3 carcasses ( small one ) and 3 or 4 chicken feet, cannt tell you if it changed the flavor but my lips kept sticking for hours ! and the broth solidifies quite fast … i mean that if i let  your bowl untouched for couple of minutes, a film will appears on top of the liquid. wont used  them next time and check the differences

  • will

    Hey  there !

    second attempt … and getting better ! just a way too much garlic (yes its possible ! )and a bit too dark  !

    Marc, just wondering, the  picture of the broth (2 pictures up) is the final product with tahini and pork fat or the strain liquid from the pressur cooker ??

    ty !

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      Glad to hear it! That picture is of the finished soup with tahini and fatback added (you can see the little white bits of fat floating on top).

      • will

        thanks god ! i ve been expecting a creamy white broth everytime i open the pressure cooker ! always get milker with the tahini and pork fat at the end anyway ;)

        When you say trotters cut in half lengthwise, do you mean through the bone and expose the marrow or between the bones to separate them ?

        i havent been able to find the leg bones so i used 2 hocks, remove the meat of them and cut them in half. i have been using the fat off the hocks with salt and garlic to replace the backfat in the recipe. do you see anything wrong with the hocks ??  do you think the fat is much different than the one you are using ?

        i have been  using the hocks meat for the chashu recipes as well, final result is not as bad as i though it would ! no waste in my kitchen hehe.

        Pic of my second try

      • will

        and the meat taste more gamy actually …. not sure if i like that ! cheeks next time ;)

      • Lihar7

        Will, may I know how to make the hardboiled egg you showed in the picture? Thanks

      • Gas Ledouarin

        Hey lihar, the eggs are pretty easy to be done !

        Room temperature egg, pierce the bottom of the egg with a needle (you actually dont have to do that at all, but i think the peeling is easier). Boil some water, drop the egg in water and keep it in for 6mn. (add time for harder holk). Drop the eggs in iced water to stop the cooking process.

        Peel the egg and let it sit in a soy mixture …. I always change the mix :) check mark’s chashu recipe for a good base. I warm up the mix for 30 seconds in the microwave, pour into a zip bag with the egg in it. Couple of hours are enough to get the flavors in and change the color of the egg :)

        Hope it helps !

      • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

        Great technique! That’s how I prepare my ajitsuke tamago as well. Thanks for sharing!

  • Lilian_squirrel

    Out of curiosity, is the base supposed to taste like anything? because mine is a bit too dark, and doesn’t have a taste. A wonderful smell, but no taste.

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      Hi, I’m not sure what you mean by “taste”. If you mean salt, then no the base shouldn’t have any salt, that gets added later when you make the soup. If you mean flavor, then it should taste like pork, garlic ginger and onions.

      • Lilian_squirrel

        Weird. Mine doesn’t seem to have a distinctive flavor. It only tastes a bit like all of those things. I tried using it to make the soup anyway- it didn’t turn out well. 

        I noticed the soup when refrigerated was gelatinous but quickly heated up to liquid again, so the consistency seemed okay… I’m not sure what went wrong.

  • Sarah

    Hello,

    Have you cracked the Ippudo vegetarian miso wasabi broth yet? I would love to get your feedback on how to replicate it! 

    Thanks,

    Sarah

    • http://norecipes.com Marc Matsumoto

      I’ve never tried it before. That said you can make a pretty good vegan ramen by making a good dashi (with stuff like kombu, celery, leeks, fried ginger and garlic, fresh shiitake etc), then mixing it with soy milk, sake, and soy sauce or miso. I’ll post a recipe at some point.

      • Sarah

        That would be great! Thank you!

  • cnusara

    I finally tried this today. It is delicious. My friends said it’s better than Ippudo. We also made our own chashu and ramen, using your recipes. Thank you so much for sharing. It’s very clear you are passionate about your dishes :)  

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